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  • logiclife
    05-31 04:54 PM
    I am confused. it is very contradicting.
    That's why there is a saying that you should never watch sausages and laws being made.

    The Cantwell amendment and Lieberman amendment will fail to pass the vote. It doesnt matter whether its ordered to lie on table or whether its ordered to take a nap on the table or have some lemonade on the table. And it doesnt matter what any of those "Motion to... " means.

    Both of those amendments, if debated, will fail. It will take 10 seconds for Bernie Sanders, Ted Kennedy and Dick Durbin to scream on top of their lungs and kill it. And the reason is very simple. There is a massive H1B exemption ON TOP OF 180,000 QUOTA. People who have been so successful this year so far in restricting H1 and employment based GCs are not going to miss that nice little H1 exemption at the bottom of both these amendments. So stop scratching your heads over what the "lying on table" means, because whatever is lying on table is unpassable if it somehow awakes from the table and starts dancing in the well of the senate floor.

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  • Totoro
    05-03 09:43 AM
    Below is part of a message I posted in another discussion, but this deserves it own discussion. If you are a legal resident of the US, such as an H4, even if you are a child, and you have an ITIN, you can get a Social Security Number, because that is the only way to get the Economic Stimulus Payment.

    Be forewarned that the SSA will put up road blocks. You will likely be denied your first application. However, the law is clear and there is no cost to apply. You also have a right to appeal. A cover letter explaining why you have a RIGHT to a Social Security Number will help support your case. You letter should refer to the laws and statutes cited below.

    The only way to get the stimulus payment is to obtain a Social Security Number for "non-work" purposes. The SSA may issue an SSN to an alien under the following provision:

    20 C.F.R. � 422.104(a)(3)

    (i) You need a social security number to satisfy a Federal statute or regulation that requires you to have a social security number in order to receive a Federally-funded benefit to which you have otherwise established entitlement and you reside either in or outside the U.S.;

    The Social Security Administration is required by federal law to issue Social Security Numbers to legal aliens who require them to receive federally funded benefits under Section 205(c)(2)(B)(i)(II) of the Social Security Act, which states that the Social Security Administration is required to assign an SSN to "any individual who is an applicant for or recipient of a benefit funded in whole or in part with Federal funds."

    Here are some documents from official Senate and House websites (,, which refer to the stimulus payment as a benefit. Print these out and attach them to your application.


    Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House

    "Residents of the U.S. territories will also receive the benefit."

    Johnny Isakson, United States Senator from Georgia

    The benefit would phase out for single people earning more than $75,000 a year and married couples earning more than $150,000.

    Johnson (GA04) | Press Release | Rep. Johnson Votes to Stimulate Economy

    Americans who earned at least $3,000 in 2007 will receive the benefit, including Social Security recipients and 250,000 disabled veterans. Higher income taxpayers are not eligible and the relief phases out above incomes of $75,000 for a single earner and $150,000 for married couples.

    Senator Robert Menendez | Newsroom

    "Today's event is a chance to spread the word so that everyone is aware of the steps they need to take to receive this benefit."

    News | Senator Pete V. Domenici

    This benefit would help an estimated 20 million seniors and 250,000 disabled veterans.


    The 2008 tax instructions will include a worksheet to help those who did not qualify for a payment or those who received a reduced amount determine if they can obtain a benefit when they file their 2008 tax returns next year.

    Senate Finance Committee

    020808 Econ Stim Staff Summary.pdf (application/pdf Object)

    The amount of the credit is phased out at a rate of 5% of adjusted gross income beginning at $75,000 ($150,000 in the case of joint returns). Residents of the U.S. possessions will also receive the benefit�

    The law also clearly states that qualified recipients of this benefit must have social security numbers to receive these funds. No other identification number is considered permissible. SEC. 6428 (h) (2) "Identification Number Requirement" states, "For purposes of paragraph (1), the term `valid identification number' means a social security number issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration. Such term shall not include a TIN issued by the Internal Revenue Service."

    According to SSA document 20 CFR Part 422 [Reg. No. 22] RIN 0960-AF05 Evidence Requirements for Assignment of Social Security Numbers (SSNs); Assignment of SSNs for Nonwork Purposes, a "valid non-work purpose" results when the "law requires an alien who is legally in the U.S. to have an SSN in order to receive general public assistance benefits (i.e., a public benefit that is means-tested) to which the alien has established Entitlement."

    The means-testing provision of H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 is stated in SEC. 6428 (d) Limitation Based on Adjusted Gross Income.

    The federal government has also defined H.R. 5140 as a form of financial relief to persons who fall within certain income categories. According to a Whitehouse publication explaining the means-testing provision of H.R. 5140, "This relief would be available to everyone with adjusted gross income less than $75,000 for singles and $150,000 for married couples filing jointly. It will be phased out for taxpayers above those income thresholds. Taxpayers may qualify by filing a tax return for 2007 and including a valid Social Security number on their tax return." [Fact Sheet: Bipartisan Growth Package Will Help Protect Our Nation's Economic Health, Office of the Press Secretary, February 13, 2008,].

    Lawmakers included the identification requirements to HR.5140 under the belief that all legal residents of the United States will hold Social Security numbers. Therefore, it is incumbent upon the Commissioner of Social Security to "take affirmative measures to assure that social security account numbers will, to the maximum extent practicable, be assigned to all members of appropriate groups or categories of individuals by assigning such numbers" [Section 205(c)(2)(B)(i)] and that all qualified individuals receive "financial relief" under H.R. 5140 according to the stated will and intention of the United States Congress and Senate (as described in the links above).

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  • alex77
    09-12 02:53 PM
    Reform Immigration: While highly skilled immigrants have contributed in beneficial ways to our domestic technology industry, there are plenty of Americans who could be filling those positions given the proper training. Barack Obama is committed to investing in communities and people who have not had an opportunity to work and participate in the Internet economy as anything other than consumers. Most H-1B new arrivals, for example, have earned a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent abroad (42.5%). They are not all PhDs. We can and should produce more Americans with bachelor’s degrees that lead to jobs in technology. A report of the National Science Foundation (NSF) reveals that blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans as a whole comprise more that 25% of the population but earn, as a whole, 16% of the bachelor degrees, 11% of the master’s degrees, and 5% of the doctorate degrees in science and engineering. We can do better than that and go a long way toward meeting industry’s need for skilled workers with Americans. That being said, we do not want to shut our doors to innovators from overseas, who have traditionally helped make America strong. Barack Obama supports comprehensive immigration reform that includes improvement in our visa programs, including our legal permanent resident visa programs and temporary programs including the H-1B program, to attract some of the world’s most talented people to America. We should allow immigrants who earn their degrees in the U.S. to stay, work, and become Americans over time. And we should examine our ability to increase the number of permanent visas we issue to foreign skilled workers. Obama will work to ensure immigrant workers are less dependent on their employers for their right to stay in the country and would hold accountable employers who abuse the system and their workers.

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  • needhelp!
    02-12 07:22 PM
    You have 147 to your credit now.


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  • santb1975
    04-26 04:17 PM
    You get us to $2536

    Thanks IV.
    Here's my one time contribution of $100 (receipt 5Y898678VG019823F)

    Keep up the good work...

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  • santb1975
    04-26 10:52 PM


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  • amitjoey
    05-21 01:57 PM
    Thanks Pagal, Optimist, Ezee, Krishmunn, Psvk, spicy_guy for your generous contributions.

    Total is $3200

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  • kartikiran
    06-15 04:35 PM
    Eb3 v/s Eb2 is a nonsensical nonproductive meaningless argument. If you actively participate in speaking with the lawmakers, you would know the bogus nature of this squabble. Each one of us has a choice. We can continue with this pissing contest or we could do something to fix the backlogs. We all understand the frustration and anxiety due to the long delays. It is easy to be drawn in meaningless eb2 v/s eb3 quarrel in the virtual world when one is not privy to how things work in the real world.

    If you feel compelled to engage in infra and trivia, please utilize your energy for your benefit by understanding the larger debate so that each one of us can employ our energy to fix our issues. Please use your energy in a positive manner. There is no point of this discussion. It is easy to write/post arguments just to support your own application/position in line. Anybody can do that. But such narrow minded approach will not help even a single soul on this planet, including yours. For those of you who want to continue with this bickering, you can do so at the expense of your own time. And when you engage in such arguments, please remember that whatever you all write or post about this nonsensical back-and-forth is not helping you or your family. But if you are sincere and care for this issue, if you truly care for your issue, then please consider participating actively to meet with the lawmakers to make our voices heard.

    Members who actively engage in the advocacy effort know when we are saying. For example � talk to nearly 125 IV members who lead the lobby day in DC during the past week. They will tell you the bogus nature of this Eb2 v/s Eb2. Stop wasting your energy arguing thing which have no meaning. Please utilize your energy in finding fix for the backlogs because there will never ever be a bill/set of provisions only for Eb3 or only for Eb2.

    Understood every point of yours & I stand by what you said except for the language as it could have been a bit better. Regarding EB3 or EB2, maybe IV should work attaching a provision as part of its CIR work, which makes USCIS determine whether a candidate is in EB3 or EB2 based on the PERM & 140 instead of letting companies & attorneys mention it. If this happens the process will be much better as USCIS controls the categories & applicants do not need to beg a company to throw them into an EB2 basket or EB3 basket. Also, applicants can have certain amount of freedom from the companies.

    When a process is flawed, there is always room for abuse. Of course, the abuse might be minimal, but when we see people with masters & 15 years of experience toiling in EB3 category it pains my heart. It is a fact there could be lesser qualified inidividuals who are in EB2 category, but the companies have managed to use these to hold the employees as hostage.

    Hopefully USCIS someday understands this and takes control of assigning applicants into categories than asking company & attorney to mention.

    Just sharing my two cents. Also, frustrations from EB3 should be tolerated by IV members, instead of beating them with "red dots". Because if we request members to put their time and effort then it would be mostly EB3 members as they are the "worst" affected. I am sure every year between july-sept most of EB2 members will do bulletin-watching & there is nothing wrong in it.


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  • Libra
    09-04 01:06 PM
    and few people asked me ' are you crazy? why you are doing all this for GC?'

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  • vbkris77
    03-28 08:43 PM
    Stop this... Really it doesn't help anyone..

    Knowing what I know..

    Here are facts that might help everyone...

    For EB3

    EB2 I/C will never be current without legal fixes.. Current estimated EB2 backlog is slightly less than 100K

    For EB2 I/C from 2006..

    Unless hell falls on us, Most of you will get green cards this year.

    Now Lets get back to IV Advocacy effort and get active.. That is the the only hope for everyone...


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  • prince_charming
    09-12 07:00 PM
    Uh-oh! Sorry to hear that. But please keep the hope - it may not be all over yet.
    Aren't they required to issue an NOID (Notice of Intent to Deny)...check this out under
    2. USCIS on Issuing RFEs, H1B Revocation, eFiling, and Other Matters -

    Only god knows what processes, rules and regulations they follow. I am glad that i am maintaining H1B status with my I-485 and never used EAD.

    Its just so disturbing that you are at the mercy of USCIS who didn't know anything about how to look and process the application.

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  • go_guy123
    08-08 09:08 PM
    I had been there in US for 7 yrs (3 yrs in L2->1yr out of US->4 Yrs in H1B). Saw the myths and tragedy of US GC process very closely. Didn't want to spoil peace of life and my hard earned money with USCIS and lawyers:mad:. Didn’t look at the US GC application and applied for Canadian PR. Came to Canada with PR last year from US. Peacefully settled in Toronto with nice job and benefits, bought my brand new car 4 months back. Nice and friendly people and government. Happy to be in Canada. No more stamping issues, tons of junk paper works, consulate visit PA and wired look from immigration officers at POE…. enough…. I am not going back to US even for a visit in next 5 yrs..…

    But I can go out of Canada and enter any time and as many time as I want. Can you do that too???? :D

    To those who are portraying wrong picture of Canada, all I can say, if you have skills, personality and capability, you’ll succeed anywhere in this world, be it in US, Canada or Australia. Don’t blame it on a country, but look at yourself.
    Just my 2 cents.

    Hello PAL

    I also came to Toronto in 2007. I was a F1->H1B tired of the H1B dance through stamping,
    body shopper etc. I came in 2007, did MBA at U of T....doing well now. Yes Canada is tough job market but eventually it is working out....but hey US under H1B is tougher and worse. I never regret the decision. If I have to take the decision again, I will take the same decision.

    One thing for sure...I am definitely better than US H1B mess, changing place to place like nomads for projects and yes better than the 1.5 typical travel to work on jammed roads in India or hour long travel in Mumbai locals.

    I think of working in US in future but never under the mess of H1B body shopper. I will try TN1 visa (now 3 years). I am not against working on H1B but not under the desperate terms that one has to typically do if one has Indian passport. The way i see is that skilled immigration to US is over under Eb2-I/Eb3-I. A lot of people have yet to accept the reality.


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  • angelfire76
    02-15 02:32 AM
    You have a great plan, come to US on H1 and within 6 months get EAD and you are free from H1b crackdown by jumping to EAD. You think USCIS, Grasley, sanders, and anti eb folks are a bunch of idiots, they will send you and me packing with the same rfe they are hitting h1 folks with if everybody gets to pre file AOS and get EAD. that is why you need to strengthen ac21 by removing same\semilar job condition and other potential h1 like rfe's, otherwise you will drag us down along with you and turn ead into h1.

    How tough it is to get PERM approval nowadays with the economy being what it is. Previously we had some reasonable times, but now every application is being scrutinized closely. It's not as easy as 6 months after landing in the US to get PERM approval and be able to file for EAD.

    Your arguments have a flavor of "Let me in and shut the door". So please go away and start your own thread for reforming AC21.

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  • grupak
    06-23 06:13 PM
    We will have to pick it up tomorrow.

    Please make the call, it makes a difference.


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  • amitjoey
    04-09 04:59 PM
    This feels good to see people helping out a complete stranger. Never saw such camaraderie elsewhere.

    Yes, thats what IV is. We stand together.

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  • smmakani
    05-05 01:00 PM
    I am in as well if you guys want to do something in group. Also let us all know if someone got the SSN for this reason.


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  • outsideUS
    07-08 02:04 PM
    The intent about letting foreigners come to work in US is to fill the gap between the demand and the local availability of skills. It is not about rewarding the foreigners academic skills.
    If you want to work here, then get skills in a field where there is a shortage here and you will not have problems with H1 sponsorship.
    When you did your Masters degree in US, you should have been more smart in selecting your area of study.
    Why should US allow foreigners to work against its citizens when there is no shortage of skill.
    Your frustation is understandable from your perspective but definitely not from a US citizens perspective.

    I really take exception to that comment. I have 2 Masters degrees (one from the US)...unfortunately they are not in Engineering/Science. What people don't seem to realize is that it is extemely difficult to get an H1-B if you are from a Humanities/Liberal Arts background. I'm a teacher and there are jobs in my field...the only problem is that school districts/community colleges/universities are unwilling to sponsor H1-Bs!

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  • munnu77
    03-17 11:13 AM
    The option to file 485 after labor approval before priority dates become current is not present. It is not present in specter's bill either. It was present in S.1932 but current bills do not have that provision. I hope someone brings in an amendment to include this feature. This would help greatly for most of us.

    if this presesnt clauses r there..i think its enuf for us to et the dates current...recapturing unused visas and increasing visa numbers

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  • walking_dude
    10-04 03:59 PM
    Put a message in MI India ( a site visited by lots of Indians in MI)

    Keep it at the top by posting replies

    Also put an Announcement (Free Ad) ( Deleted by MI India)

    Add more Announcements

    07-17 10:09 PM
    Some of the core members are also stuck in BEC. But they still worked selfleshly. And don't preach injustice to me, I came here to study in 1999, got one labor (PD 2002) rejected on technical grounds, went in for other labor PD 2005, so my situation is probably worse than you.
    Are you the guy who came up with a stupid idea of creating an entire thread for banning people? You probably don't even know the definition of Freedom and Injustice and you say you studied in US (did you pass?). and hey my earlier post was not a response to you.

    06-28 08:11 PM
    Thanks. I know I am bugging you with my questions because I am filling all the forms today and sending. I have one question :)

    For AP documents, it says we can submit any document issued to you by USCIS showing your present status in US. Now, currently I am on H1B. So should I send them my I797 approval document or EAD copy? Also in there instructions they are asking to send copy of an official photo identity document showing your photo, name & DOB? Can it be PP/DL/EAD?

    Your status will be shown buy copy of I485 receipt. AP requires the following:
    AP renewal e-filing (to be Mailed):
    .... Confirmation Page
    .... Two pictures with A# on back, put in envelope and staple to confirmation page
    .... Copy of I485 Receipt Notice
    .... Copy of previous AP
    .... Photo Id such as
    ........ Copy of Biographic Pages of Passport or
    ........ Copy of DL or
    ........ Copy of EAD
    .... Letter -

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